"In the forward to Kate Bornstein's bookHello Cruel World, Sara writes about the childhood games she used to play. So how did games like Jail or Orphanage actually go?

Sara: That's very controversial! I think that there was a point in therapy about five years ago when I was talking about the games I played when I was a kid. My therapist really saw it as part of these divorced kid, isolated, depressed, lower middle class issues and I was like, "Listen! I may just like being confined in a small space!" Like I was born in a womb that was way too small for both me and Tegan and there's some sort of a desire to be back in some kind of tiny, uncomfortable space. I don't really know who really thought about those ideas first, and I feel kind of upset at the idea that Tegan and I were the ones that encouraged it. There are probably a load of adults that we grew up with in therapy right now going, 'And then there was Tegan and Sara and they made us play Jail and Orphanage and it was terrifying!'" (read full interview)